B state finals

[B_fan]

c'mon someone has to atleast guess who'll win the B brackets, It'll be tough with just 8 men brackets, there will be some darn good brackets 119 will prove to be interesting, this new B tourney makes for some darn good wrestling.

 

[B_fan]

only my guess
103
Oconner wahk, Benjamin conc, Woodruff orov, Stanifer lbsg
112
Rollins rep, Larson rep, O'Shaughnesy kitt, McEntire wahk
119 tough one to call
Gubler rep, Einman sbnd, Narlock tbap,Langlos kitt
125
Johnson wck, Bachmeier ocos, Stephens wck, Smith wilv
130
Fallis conc, Thompson lbel, Kostelnik orov, Kalugin mwal
135
Eldred rear, Johns wahk, Hara nbch, Rice conc
140
Fallis conc, Hancock rep, Jeferson lbel, Knebel pomy
145
Thies lbsg, Lembcke wck, Dolph darr, O'damihin lbel
152
Alvarez sbnd, Lewis wahk, treat kitt, Brush adna
160 1 and 2 could go either way also
Stevie lbel, Mills rep, Cartwright kitt, Mendez wahk
171
Dellinger conc, Cardin wilv, Reno kitt, Reeves lbel
189
Jenkins pomy, Jones kitt, Rounds darr, Thompson rear
215
Bruketa kitt, Beckstrom rear, Herston darr, Christman dvpt
289
Dehn dvpt, Toney rear, Strode ocos, Herera orov........

just my guess, none others
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[*Hollywood*]

Those look pretty good to me.

 

[B_fan]

thanks didn't do to bad
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[Cucumber86]

Re: B state finals predictions: before & after

Below are the original predictions 1-4, and underneath each weight is the actual placings. After you review my predictions versus actual finishes, you'll see that I gave the West far too much respect. I chose not to post this before State, as I wished not to send the wrong unintended messages to rivals or allies. If you doubt the credibility of these picks, Luvene can verify, as I sent them to him last Wednesday.

I included an * after a placement I guessed right:

103
picks
1. 10 Monte Benjamin/Concrete
2. 10 Kevin O'Connor/Wahkiakum
3. 10 Bryce Woodruff/Oroville
4. 09 Nick Stanifer/Liberty (Spangle)
actual
1. Benjamin/Concrete *
2. Woodruff/Oroville
3. Kelly/Oroville
4. Stanifer/Liberty (Spangle) *

112
picks
1. 09 Ryn (pronounced "RINN") Rollins/Republic
2. 09 Levi Larson/Republic
3. 10 Daniel O'Shaughnessy/Kittitas
4. 09 Johnny Loughnan/Darrington
actual (got the right four, wrong order)
1. Rollins/Republic *
2. Loughnan/Darrington
3. O'Shaughnessy/Kittitas *
4. Larson/Republic

119
picks
1. 10 JJ Gubler/Republic
2. 12 Michael Einman/South Bend
3. 11 Robert Langloss/Kittitas
4. 12 Kyle Lundgren/Reardan
actual (clean sweep by the Eastern Region)
1. Gubler/Republic *
2. Langloss/Kittitas
3. Lundgren/Reardan
4. 11 Nate Thompson/Oroville (Remember me saying that Einman {30-0 from South Bend} would struggle with our #4 seed.....he lost 11-3, then beat a Western kid and got knocked out by Thompson of Oroville in the conso semis.

125
picks
1. 10 Cody Stephens/Wilbur-Creston-Keller
2. 12 Deven Johnson/Wilbur-Creston-Keller
3. 10 Cody Bryson/Darrington
4. 11 Jarred Palmier/Republic
actual (another clean sweep by the East)
1. Stephens/WCK *
2. Johnson/WCK *
3. 11 Chris Goodson/Reardan
4. Jarred Palmier/Republic *

130
picks
1. 12 Matt Kostelnik/Oroville
2. 12 Seth Thomson/Liberty Bell HS
3. 11 Joe Fallis/Concrete
4. 09 Kolton Palmer/Darrington
actual (just missed this one, due to an upset in one of the semis) Christmas came early for Kostelnik, as he complimented from a controversial call in the final seconds to win by one
1. Kostelnik/Oroville *
2. 10 Alex Kalugin/Mary Walker (Springdale)
3. Fallis/Concrete *
4. Palmer/Darrington *

135
picks
1. 10 Brady Johns/Wahkiakum
2. 11 Josh Eldred/Reardan
3. 12 Jesse Tennant/Pomeroy
4. 10 Derek Rice/Concrete
actual
1. Tennant/Pomeroy
2. 09 Kjell Johnson/Liberty Bell (Twisp/Winthrop)
3. Eldred/Reardan
4. Johns/Wahkiakum

140
picks
1. 11 Jordan Hancock/Republic
2. 11 Joe Marzetta/North Beach
3. 12 Nick Fallis/Concrete
4. 10 Tye Knebel/Pomeroy
actual
1. Hancock/Republic *
2. Fallis/Concrete
3. Knebel/Pomeroy
4. 10 Stormee Brown/Darrington

145
picks
1. 12 Adam Thies/Liberty (Spangle)
2. 12 Ben Lembcke/Wilbur-Creston-Keller
3. 10 Cody Holt/Concrete
4. 11 Joe Dolph/Darrington
actual (another clean sweep by the Eastern Region)
1. Thies/Liberty (Spangle) *
2. Lembcke/WCK *
3. 12 Pat O'Damihin/Liberty Bell (Twisp/Winthrop)
4. 11 Adam Collins/Reardan

152
picks
1. 11 Connor Treat/Kittitas
2. 11 Bill Sykes/Oroville
3. 11 Tim Eggleston/Reardan
4. 12 James Lewis/Wahkiakum
actual (East does it again!......in a not-so-tough overall division)
1. Treat/Kittitas *
2. Eggleston/Reardan
3. 12 Taze Henderson/Oroville
4. Sykes/Oroville

160
picks
1. 12 Beau Stevie/Liberty Bell HS
2. 11 Landis Mills/Republic
3. 11 Cameron Cartwright/Kittitas
4. 12 Chris Mendez/Wahkiakum
actual
1. Stevie/Liberty Bell (Twisp/Winthrop) *
2. Mills/Republic *
3. Mendez/Wahkiakum
4. 09 Matt Slaybaugh/Pomeroy

171
picks
1. 12 Jesse Dellinger/Concrete
2. 12 Casy Reeves/Liberty Bell HS
3. 11 Mike Reno/Kittitas
4. 11 Ernie Cardin/Willipa Valley
actual (got the right four, but 3rd & 4th need swapped)
1. Dellinger/Concrete *
2. Reeves/Liberty Bell (Twisp/Winthrop) *
3. Cardin/Willapa Valley
4. Reno/Kittitas

189
picks
1. 11 Kent Jenkins/Pomeroy
2. 11 Conner Rounds/Darrington
3. 10 Russell Jones/Kittitas
4. 11 Wayne Cress/Concrete
actual (West's best showing in one bracket, the only one in which they medalled more than two)
1. Jenkins/Pomeroy *
2. Rounds/Darrington *
3. 12 Jacob Lane/Ocosta (Westport)
4. Cress/Concrete *

215
picks
1. 12 Louie Bruketta/Kittitas
2. 11 Rory Beckstrom/Reardan
3. 12 Cory Christman/Davenport
4. 12 Zach Boothby/Ocosta
actual
1. Bruketta/Kittitas *
2. 12 Trevor Herston/Darrington
3. Beckstrom/Reardan
4. 10 Josh Mitchell/Tacoma Baptist

285
picks
1. 12 Dehn/Davenport
2. 10 Carlos Herrera/Oroville
3. 11 Derek Toney/Reardan
4. 10 Kyle Strode/Ocosta
actual (picked the right four, just got them in the wrong order)
1. Toney/Reardan
2. Strode/Ocosta (Westport)
3. Herrera/Oroville
4. Dehn/Davenport
(Did you see Tonya Harding's body guard wandering around the Dome floor with a tire iron just before the HVY finals???)

Well, I guess that's it. I don't know how I graded overall. Breaking it down, here is how it shaped up for me:

1st: 12/14 86%
2nd: 5/14 36%
3rd: 2/14 14%
4th: 4/14 29%
Average of pick percentage: 41.25%

EAST VS WEST COMPARISONS:
total medals
EAST: 40 (71%)
WEST: 16 (29%)

Champions
EAST: 12 (86%)
WEST: 2 (14%) both by Concrete

2nds
EAST: 9 (64%)
WEST: 5 (36%)

3rds
EAST: 11 (79%)
WEST: 3 (21%)

4ths
EAST: 8 (57%)
WEST: 6 (43%)

Sure was an incredible finish in the running for team title! If only Ocosta's HVY could've pulled it off! CONGRATS to Reardan on their well-deserved title!

 

[B_fan]

Re: B state finals predictions: before & after

Don What did you think of the B officials

 

[Cucumber86]

Re: B state officials

Are you asking me about the "officials", or "official"?? I didn't see a problem with the reffing, by and large, but we did have one referee officiate at a minimum four, and possibly all of our semifinal matches. That particular referee was grossly inconsistent in the number of stalls he penalized the Republic wrestlers for, particularly in the semi matches of Gubler, Palmier, Hancock, and Mills. In Gubler's and Hancock's matches, the Republic kids were on the verge of disqualification for repeated stall calls. Palmier got victimized by an unbelievable call while in a transition Granby/Peterson that resulted in a four point swing, and Mills got dinged for stalling during an attempted cement-mixing roll off of a front headlock....and the headlock wasn't even created by blocking down/defending a shot. With a comfortable lead late in the 3rd round, Mills, desperately working for a pin to benefit our team points, abandoned the spiral, coming out front to the headlock, attempting the mixer. The first attempt rolled all the way throught without securing NF, so he tried it a second time. On the second attempt, he got dinged.
You might not find it surprising to hear that this referee was the same one who rendered the decision to DQ Nick Olson (130) two weeks earlier at Leagues in Pateros. Based on his performance in the outlined matches, as well as other matches (not including Republic) he was involved in, there's no question in my mind of his motives and intentions.

I saw one other call that, in my opinion, was totally blown in the 130 finals between Kostelnik and Kalugin of Springdale, officiated by a man who looked of Asian descent. Kalugin had a one pt lead with under 30 seconds left and was on top. Kostelnik managed to get to his feet, and as they both rose, Kalugin lifted one of Kostelnik's legs up, with Kostelnik's calf/ankle secured in the crotch of Kalugin's elbow/forearm; Kalugin's other hand was in a collar tie behind Kostelnik's head/neck. As Kostelnik rared his head back, Kalugin's tie slipped off the back, with his hand snagging the side of Kostelnik's earguard. The headgear did not come off, or even drastically twist, but the ref blew the whistle almost immediately. Instantly after hearing the whistle, Kalugin released Kostelnik's leg. The end ruling result of the sequence was one point TV awarded to Kostelnik for the grabbing/pulling of the headgear PLUS another point for awarding an escape, giving Kostelnik a one point lead. With only about 10 seconds left, Kalugin pursued Kostelnik, shooting wildly, and with Kostelnik backing up, managed to draw a stall warning with about four seconds left, but was unable to get a takedown. That is merely the way I saw it as an unbiased observer, without a horse in the race. It is quite possible that you or someone else may have thought that either or both calls were right.

In closing, the one referee was either horrific, or biased against Republic, which I believe is both. Other than that, and the call at the end of the 130 match, my only other complaint would be that they were taking forever to call FALLS.....every single referee that I observed on the B mats. I can't count how many times that it seemed grossly obvious from any angle that kids were stuck, but that must have just been from my skewed view from the stands. Reffing was about what I expected for the B mats. I did happen to see some very good officiating, rotating from 1A-4A, but it's hard to get a good overall basis of observation on your own mats when the same guy calls at least four consecutive matches of your kids.

Hey, you seem to know me.....but I'm not sure who you are. Send me an e-mail: cookiey@televar.com

 

[LuVene]

Re: B state officials

I want to know who taught JJ to stand there and not move with both
hands on his knees (in the neutral position)..... It was a direct signal
to the official to CALL stalling.... An odd way of approaching a takedown!!!!

 

[Cucumber86]

Re: B state officials

Luvene,

Regarding Gubler and stalling from Neutral, you are not even referring to the same matches that I was relating to.....you obviously are talking about the Finals match against Langloss....and you are exactly right....and he was dinged for stalling, and deservedly so!

Nobody from the Republic coaching staff "taught" JJ, or any of the Republic wrestlers to stay inactive on their feet.

I could be wrong, but my assessment of the match is this....
JJ came out on fire in round one, scoring first takedown and promptly turning Langloss to his back for the NF to enjoy an early 5-0 lead. From round two on, he kicked into defensive mode, playing it safe to hold on to the victory. I actually thought that he had become somehow injured, or was suffering a dizzy spell or sudden loss of breath or energy, because it was more than obvious that he wasn't at the same level the last two rounds. At some point, JJ nearly got rolled, and it may have scared him into safety tactics, as he knew that the team desperately needed the championship points to contend for the title, and with a large lead thought that would be a better strategy. Whatever the case, this is what brought on the stall calls WHICH WERE CALLED AND WERE LEGITIMATE.

I had no issues whatsoever with the Finals officiating in any of the matches I closely observed, other than the questionable call at the end of the 130 which dictated the final score; even that one is subjective to judgement....JMHO.

 

[wrestlingwife]

Re: B state officials

I didnt see many of the Republic matches but I did watch the finals match with Alex Kalugin. You are right on. It was the worst call I have ever seen, plus Dodge lost them team points for asking what the call was. It was crazy. How do you ding a kid for stoping at the whistle?

 

[luva]

Re: B state officials

well when i take over as head coach for republic in two years they wont need to worry about stall calls

 

[Cucumber86]

Re: Sorry Eddie, you'll have to wait thru 2012

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but we've signed TC_1 thru 2012 (thru Gil & Kyle's HS careers). When we baited him with a pay hike from $.21 per hour up to $.25, he simply couldn't refuse. Besides, if he chooses to retire on to other things before then, we could always pull out all those incriminating photos!!!
Just kidding....it was good to see you @ state and am glad to hear school is going well. We're going to be running our qualifier again in Mid-April if you've the time to take it in.

Don

 

[LuVene]

Re: B state officials

Ya, I just hate seeing kids in any match just stand there, arms on there knees, doing nothing... It doesnt make any sense at all, and I know Jim doesnt coach that...

 

[LuVene]

Re: B state officials

Man oh man Don, you need to paraphrase a bit more LOL LOL.... It took me
10 minutes to read the post (I am slow) LOL... YA I could not figure out
for the life of me how that match Oroville and Mary Walker transpired....
SO thanks for the clarity, I think the Mary Walker coach had a beef and it was a poor call... At least for our lovely seats.... But I know first hand
who has the best seat in the house for seeing things !!!!! and dont question officials much.